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By Grey
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Added some Mexican Pinguicula hybrids:
  • Pinguicula 'Johanna' (P. agnata x debbertiana)
  • Pinguicula 'Tempa' (parents unknown)
And a couple of lesser known Mexican Pinguicula hybrids (with names in "quotation marks" as it is not known if they are registered):
  • Pinguicula "Zaphod" (parents unknown)
  • Pinguicula "Zarniwoop" (parents unknown)
If anyone knows of the parentage of any of these plants, I would love to hear it!
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By Shadowtski
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Grey wrote:Pinguicula "Zaphod" (Parents Unknown)

CP Photofinder lists Pinguicula "Zaphod"
Parents: (laueana x emarginata) x laueana

Pinguicula Zaphod

With a name like that, alluding to Zaphod Beeblebrox, I had to Google it. The parentage was listed there. Zaniwhoops parentage is also listed there.
Pinguicula "Zarniwoop"
Parents: [laueana crimson x (laueana x emarginata)]
Pinguicula Zarniwhoop
Must be a couple of Douglas Adams' fans growing CP.

Good growing,
Mike
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By Phizzels
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Hey Grey one pinguicula i know of that wasn't listed is the gigantea x moctezumae, I found another called el mirador
By heywhathuh
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Not sure if this list is still being updated, but there are some Cuban species listed here: http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.ph ... s-in-cuba/ that are missing from your list!

The publication link in that thread is dead, but you can find all of the authors publications here: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yo ... blications

Cheers
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By jeff
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Bonjour

for me the ping genus must be distribute in 5 large areas:

- temperate ( Boreal-Austral) european and others(north and south american -Russian -Chinese and Japanese)
- tropical mexican
- tropical caraibe
- temperate andean
- subtropical US

for the taxons see my web sitehttp://fern72.free.fr/siteweb/pinguicula.html or here http://cpphotofinder.com/

for the hybrid see here http://cpphotofinder.com/

jeff
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By Benurmanii
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I guess I'll offer up my personal preferred way of organizing the different climate groups of the genus.

Cold-temperate: Hibernacula-forming pings and the two temperate South American species, P. chilensis and P. antarctica

While exact temperature tolerances and requirements may vary between some species, these Pings generally do not like hot temps during the growing season, and can easily handle freezing temperatures during the winter. All of these Pinguicula require their dormancy.

European warm-temperate: The Pinguicula from section Cardiophyllum, such as hirtiflora, megaspilaea, etc.

These Pings don't like hot summer temps (though I believe they can handle hot air temps if the water remains cold, sort of like how people used to want to treat Darlingtonia). They won't handle freezing temps like the true cold-temperates, but should be able to handle some frost. As far as I know, these need winter dormancy.

SE US warm-temperates: planifolia, primuliflora, lutea, etc.

Unlike the European warm-temperates, these will tolerate very hot summer temps, even if the water is hot (the exception is primuliflora, which prefers shaded areas that do not get as hot). They also can handle some frost. These do need a winter dormancy to survive long-term, except the plantlets produced by primuliflora will not be affected by any lack of a winter period. That is why you see primuliflora everyone but not any of the other species.

Mexican

To be honest, I don't know the max temps these can handle during the summer, since I grow mine indoors under T5HOs where the hottest it gets is the low 80s during the day. I know some people let their Mexican Pinguicula get very cold during the winter, near freezing even. Of course, this is not necessary. Their "dormancy" is not necessary for their health (I prefer the term "winter phase" since it is not a true dormancy, excpet for the bulb-forming species), although I am curious to if the bulb-forming ping's winter phase is necessary for healthy long-term growth.

Cuban + P. casabitoana (from the Dominican Republic)

These are the only Pinguicula I would feel comfortable using the term "tropical" with. It is hard to say what applies for all the Cuban species, since only 4 have been in cultivation, but for these four one can generalize. Basically, they like lowland conditions. Warm to hot temps during the day (really lowland ones like filifolia prefer hot, into the 90s), and high humidity. The are generally annuals, with varying degrees of success with self-pollination, so for maintaining the plants in one's collection for the long-term, one must cross plants of different genetics. P. cubensis seems to last a couple years and can be propagated via leaf-pullings. That one also doesn't mind colder temps nor humidity below 70%, but it will grow slower under those conditions.

Equatorial-Andean: P. calyptrata, involuta, chuquisacensis (jarmilae)

It is hard to categorize these Pings since not much is known about their growth requirements, since not too many grow them. Some have grown chuquisacensis (I am not actually sure if it is specifically on the Andes), which seems to do fine in typical highland to intermediate temps. Though it seems to be very humid where it grows naturally, it doesn't need high humidity. Fernando reported hearing from the locals who live near a population of P. calyptrata, that it can snow during the wet season. This plant would probably prefer year-round cool days and cold nights, being one of the highest growing Pings (4000m!). P. involuta, my guess, would be treated as an intermediate of calyptrata and chuquisacensis, in terms of temps. I know there is one person growing involute and calyptrata, but theirs are all green. I believe that is because they don't get temps as cold as it gets for involuta and calyptrata in nature.

And of course, the Ping with the weirdest climate: P. elongata

It seems that in nature, this ping will experience temps in the 70s and low 80s during the day, with extreme temp drops at night, even to freezing. It has 3 different forms of growth, similar to P. heterophylla, and it changes to these different phases based on the wet and dry seasons, similar to Mexican Pinguicula. Definitely one of the most difficult Pings. Mine died after night temps got above 55 degrees fahrenheit. This Ping also grows where it is very windy, but also fairly humid. Quite tricky.
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By jeff
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Bonjour

the temperate climat can be defined as such see here http://pinguicula.free.fr/temperate.png

on this map the climat : subtropical humid,oceanic, mediterranean are temperate ,a lot also from andean area ,in fact above a certain altitude the equatorial climate becomes tempered

for the oceanic , mediterraneen species no problem with hot temperature from the moment one has a good hygrometry of the air and a substrate always wet or even sodden

for the US subtropical species I'm not sure they need a dormancy, here I do not make.

for the Mexican dormancy is not a true dormancy like the European species but rather like a passage without problem of the dry period, which explains their passage to the succulent stage or with onions.

for me their natural cycle is to be respected, so their dormancy,the fact of not doing it, seems a bit hazardous.But hey, that's just my feeling.

JEFF
By Benurmanii
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I tried to grow P. megaspilaea and P. hirtiflora outdoors last summer but both did very poorly. I contacted Eric Partrat and he said that the water they grow in is always cold, from mountain springs. I tried to grow them outdoors because I found that the air temperature data for their locations could get warm (30-35 C during the summer), but my experiences have led me to not try growing them outdoors in the heat again, but rather indoors where temps are a milder and water in the tray is always cool.
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By jeff
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Bonjour

this complex crystallina/hirtiflora/habillii are on the mediterranean climate
see here the area :
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this climate is caracterised by in the coldest months - 3°c (26.6°F) to18°c (64.4°F) in summer > 22°c( 71.6°F)

we find these species on oozing limestone cliff like this
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or along streams or torrents like this, in limestone or on serpentine
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between 0 to 1300m in cool ( never very cold) and shady environments but always with a hight air hygrometry

for me this air hygrometry is very very important for all the pinguicula ;)

here 'ex situ' that can give, this
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