Chipi3s wrote:
Am I missing anything? Also as I stated you are more then welcome to contact the Ebayer I purchased the plant from. I do hope this was detailed enough and put any doubts to rest.
This post does indeed provide explanation, but I'm still do not fully understand.
If I may, I'd like to ask a few questions to put my doubts to rest.
What I do not yet comprehend is, in the following posts, you mentioned that you previously received a response from the seller from which you purchased the N. hamata.
1st post – “SECONDLY the post clearly says "possibly clone 4" I have contacted the original owner who sold me it and it is in fact Borneo clone.”
4th post – “…why I labeled it at "POSSIBLY CLONE 4" then later contacted the person who sold me it and was told "Borneo Exotics clone".”
But yet, in your 5th post, you state “He finally got back to me”.
So, why wasn’t the first email you received posted? Why do you say “He finally got back to me” even though he got back to you previously?
“Soon later I removed the auction because the original owner told me which clone it was. I then from there took another picture and re-listed it with a new picture and details explaining its a BE CLONE.”
But…according to the statement from the 5th post, the seller did not contact you until a month (from January 23rd to February 22nd –the date of the 5th post) after you posted the hamata as a BE clone.
Also, I do not understand the statement “I went online to find which clone best resembled the one I have. Hence why I labeled my auction details as "Possibly clone 4". The buyer was completely aware they are getting a random Hamata and no guarantees on which one.”
From what I can tell, all the N. hamatas from Andreas Wistuba differ only with regards to genetics. I see no difference in leaf morphology and also, there are no pitchers on it, making it difficult to distinguish from a series of 4 clones. Furthermore, where in the original auction does it state that the buyer would be getting a “random hamata”? If I were a potential buyer, new to the hobby, I would consider it a“clone 4”. Then, I would receive it, continue to call it “clone 4, possibly trade/clone it, and there is another misidentified plant circulating in cultivation.
May I ask from where you received the plant? You keep mentioning that we can "contact the seller", but yet we are currently unaware of who he/she is.
Benurmanii wrote:I just find it childish that you and BrunoL would post a bunch of negative reviews on each other's profile.
Indeed, Benurmanii, I do find my behavior and that of Chipi3s quite "childish" as you say. Emotions were certainly running high in this thread and it seems to have brought on some irrational decisions. When I first received a message at 12:31 (Feb. 23), stating that I have been given negative feedback, I was in complete indignation, shock and disbelief. Dwelling on emotions that I should not have dwelled on, I subsequently returned with a negative feedback on his account. From 3:00 to 3:01, Chipi3s proceeded to lash out at my feedback using 9 negative feedbacks, with no comment, and at 3:13, placed the final negative feedback with the comment "Sold me a fake plant". I understand that my response must have agitated him, but there was no reason for him to add negative feedback in the first place (and especially the other 9). I don't see how this thread calls for the addition of feedback. Nor do I find any of the NF justified, especially the final one. I
traded a N. edwardsiana with this user, and its identification is completely legitimate. I still have held on to the paperwork of my recently led Wistuba group order and, unless Wistuba now sells fake plants, I can prove, with pictures, paperwork and witnesses who participated in the group order that the N. edwardsiana I traded is correctly identified.
Leathal_Traps wrote:
LMAO chips placed TEN negative reviews LOL
Leathal_Traps, although it may have been amusing for you to watch my feedback be absolutely destroyed, lowered to a -3 (43%), making me the "worst user" in the entire forum, I did not find any amusement. I've toiled to earn that feedback and I find it offensive that you "laugh your *** off" at the expense of my feedback. Not only that, but it is impossible to restore that feedback, so several years from now, I'll still have it.
Although Chipi3s has also received negative feedback (and I regret having done so, as it was as Benurmanni mentioned, "extremely childish" and not justified), it was nowhere near as destructive.
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