Naja002 wrote:Started the next batch yesterday-12-31-11. It is 50/25/25 peat/perlite/(good) sand.
Drain results:
24 hrs: 94 ppm
14 hrs: 68 ppm
4 days: unknown-thawing 5 gal ice cube.
8 hrs: 16 ppm
12 hrs: 16 ppm
Results of last batch in the quote above. VERY strange outcome. The bucket froze solid for a couple of days or so. I did the last soak, because I had issues accepting the 2nd to last results. I am curious if the freezing/thawing somehow effected the dissolution of the TDS in the media. Didn't make any sense for it to drop from 68 ppm to 16 ppm in 2 soaks. I refilled and did another 12 hr soak--the result is the same. Definitely strange. Keep in mind that the peat was washed/soaked 1x in the past, the sand was cleaned well--not sure how well though, and the perlite was washed in the past. The final soak was done with RODI (~1ppm).
David F wrote:What it sounds like is the dissolved solids do actually dissolve relatively fast. The fact that it will go down with *repeated soakings* more as apposed to *prolonged* soakings, makes me think that the gross amount of solids that dissolve is relative to the water itself (high TDS water is less likely to dissolve a whole lot of solids apposed to pure water) Sort of like why an IV has the same TDS always.
Something interesting you might not know is that osmosis and net movement of water is attribed to all dissolved solids equally, because the movement is based on water, water will be equalized, and so in a way it makes sense that a ratio of roughly 1/2 based on the ammounts that may have been in the soil (which to us are unkown)
I'm curious if there is some sort of blind test which we could find out the absolute dissolved solids in a medium without actually using water, (or if water were used we would need exact measurements) This may not work because of the issues that may come up such as: What if peat continually breaks down and PPm will always slowly go up? I want to see how many solids are in it, and why/how soaking it really does help.
I appreciate the thoughts and input.
It seems that the higher the TDS of the media the closer to 50% of the TDS moves to the water. However, from what I've seen it's not linear. The lower the start point, the lower the percent that dissolves into the water.
With the technology that we have today a test like you describe would not be a surprise to me, but I doubt that there is much available in our price range. A local extension office could help find out what's in the media.
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Well, I started on 3 bricks of Eco Earth. VERY fine stuff. I have not yet had the opportunity to compare it to the Procoir in any way, but that will be coming. I started with RODI in order to get a solid reading. I will be using reservoir water (~14 ppm) for most or all of this though:
Eco Earth-1-08-12:
Start- 691 ppm (RODI)
Drain results:
12 hrs: 1,640 ppm
16 hrs: 1,690 ppm
12 hrs: 375 ppm (3 readings: 357, 297, 254)--results seem odd. Not sure why it would drop so much...we'll see.
11 hrs: 84 ppm (4 readings: 84, 78, 67, 54)--not sure why it's dropping so dramatically...???
8 hrs: drain
17 hrs: 41 ppm (4 readings: 41, 38, 34, 34)
12 hrs: 41 ppm (4 readings: 40, 41, 40, 40)
11 hrs: 41 ppm (5 readings: 40, 41, 40, 38, 38)--used RODI water. Recycled it back into the batch after taking the readings...just to see if ppm increases any from the longer soaking.
72 hrs: 33 ppm pH 6.8 Mostly frozen. I did get drain water to check. Just going to let it thaw and drain..may do another soak before moving onto the Procoir.
12 hrs: 19 ppm --I did a large 1 gal sample. I let the station drain overnight and filled it with room temp. RODI and let it soak for 12 hrs. Temps tonight are above freezing, so I am going to let it soak overnight again, and take the final reading tomorrow. The freezing seems to have an effect of the TDS read-out.
20 hrs: 23 ppm --~1/2 gal sample RODI. Final drain now. Moving on to the Procoir.
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Just started getting the Procoir soaking (1-10-12)...in a different container. I am going to let it soak until the batch of Eco Earth above is completed.