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Is this a D. spatula?
Also, there's some sundew that have looong stems on them followed by an almost boomerang shaped trap (not pictured). From what I understand, D. spatula doesn't have this, so I'm wondering whether there's two different types of Drosera in the one pot, because the pictured sundew definitely looks like spatula to me (but I'm admittedly inexperienced with Sundews, being a Pitcher Plant/Flytrap grower myself).

We would need more pictures - a shot from above would help. Many of the round-leaf sundews look the same.

Adelaide wrote:We would need more pictures - a shot from above would help. Many of the round-leaf sundews look the same.

No problem. It's a bit hard with all the green, but hopefully it will suffice.

It looks like a spat to me as well.

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A good pic looking straight down on the plant would possibly help(as Adelaide suggested), but when looking into trying to identify a drosera that could fall into the D.spatulata/tokaiensis complex it's more than likely not going to get a solid ID. That complex is a disaster and everyone has their opinion. Then again I'm sure a few of the know it alls here will oblige you with their bs opinions that quite frankly are worthless.

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boarderlib wrote:A good pic looking straight down on the plant would possibly help(as Adelaide suggested), but when looking into trying to identify a drosera that could fall into the D.spatulata/tokaiensis complex it's more than likely not going to get a solid ID. That complex is a disaster and everyone has their opinion. Then again I'm sure a few of the know it alls here will oblige you with their bs opinions that quite frankly are worthless.

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I wan't trying to differentiate between a spat and a spat hybird, my understanding was that he was wholly unsure of the species and there are many rosetted sundew species that can be distinguished if you know what to look for.

Adelaide wrote:
I wan't trying to differentiate between a spat and a spat hybird, my understanding was that he was wholly unsure of the species and there are many rosetted sundew species that can be distinguished if you know what to look for.

I know Adelaide, and I did not mean to point my post towards you, if it did. You know my grammar sucks though so I may have without realizing it. Lol. Actually I only seen the first two posts when I wrote my response.

My point is that any plants within that complex can be nearly impossible to ID. Even the best of the best don't want anything to do with identifying plants within the spatulata/tokaiensis complex or the dielsiana/natalensis complex, because they can appear so similar. Then you start tossing in different growing conditions which can completely change the look of rosette drosera. Then genetics also play a role. I have a pot of cloned spatulata, and two pots of seed grown. The clones look identical to the mother plant, while there's a vast difference with the seed grown plants.

Mom, and the clones. The lighting is throwing the color off a little, but I assure you, you can't tell them apart in real life.


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Even spatulata's with different locale data can change drastically between locales. I've contemplated on tossing out all rosettes because of this confusion. I'm a pretty well organized person and this drives me insane. Lol.

My last point was because some one on here will jump in and say yes (definitely), that's a spatulata without having even read the description of the plant. I've seen it time and time again, even with seedlings that have four or five carnivorous leaves.

If you want the most accurate ID possible you need to get a clear close up pic of the flower, then a super magnified pic of the seed, like a 100x magnification. That will more than likely get you as close as you'll get to a solid ID.

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boarderlib wrote:

Adelaide wrote: My point is that any plants within that complex can be nearly impossible to ID. Even the best of the best don't want anything to do with identifying plants within the spatulata/tokaiensis complex or the dielsiana/natalensis complex, because they can appear so similar. Then you start tossing in different growing conditions which can completely change the look of rosette drosera. Then genetics also play a role. I have a pot of cloned spatulata, and two pots of seed grown. The clones look identical to the mother plant, while there's a vast difference with the seed grown plants.

Even spatulata's with different locale data can change drastically between locales. I've contemplated on tossing out all rosettes because of this confusion. I'm a pretty well organized person and this drives me insane. Lol.

D. spatulata grows locally for me so I can definitely attest to this. In one location, you'll find plants that look completely different just because some plants are more shaded then others. As the season progresses, a single plants colour, size and leaf shape will change in response to the differing weather conditions. Often times, a single 'location' will have completely distinct forms growing together - move half a km down the road and you could very well have a different form of the plant.

I personally think that most of the forms circulating internationally e.g. tamlin, fraser island, lovellae etc might not be true to their label. It's hard to tell for such a species since the forms are so similar. The only commonly circulated form that you could probably tell apart from physical characteristics is var. gympiensis with its giant flower on a short scape.

RE distinguishing between D. spatulata and D. tokaiensis, they do look slightly different but I'm only ever around 70% sure. The leaf shape is slightly different and D. tokaiensis generally doesn't go as red as some D. spatulata forms. When plants are growing in poor conditions, diagnosis becomes harder.

ps if you ever need some robust D. spatulata seeds send me a message

fattytuna wrote:
The leaf shape is slightly different and D. tokaiensis generally doesn't go as red as some D. spatulata forms. When plants are growing in poor conditions, diagnosis becomes harder.

ps if you ever need some robust D. spatulata seeds send me a message

That brings up another point that makes identifying anything in this complex harder. A well fed plant will have less red in it, from what I've read.

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