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By Smooter80
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Joined:  Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:33 pm
#276771
Tubmonkey1 wrote:How can these simply "look like" a cultivar? Is he collecting seeds from cultivars purchased then germinating them? I am unfamiliar with the result.
I would suspect so. He is know for growing VFTs from seed through tissue culture. Seed grow can pass on traits of the mother plant. Sometimes they may look close, other times they look nothing like the mother plant.

When you do something for years over and over, it's not a mix up or an accident.
Tubmonkey1 wrote: I personally have a tough time labeling something that looks like the Jaws of this post as a Typical.
Just because a plant is a "typical" doesn't mean it's common looking or boring. I don't like the term either but it is what we use. I have 200+ typical seedlings and some are far from typical looking. Who cares if you only have a "typical"? It's more important to keep cultivars pure than add another cultivar to your grow list.
By Tubmonkey1
Posts:  22
Joined:  Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:32 pm
#276772
Smooter80 wrote:Maybe you don't understand what a cultivar is. It's an exact genetic copy, a clone. "Looks like" is not good enough. Any time there is any doubt, it's a typical. I would say anything sold by him is in doubt. The seller in question has been using these dishonest tactics for years.

I was just looking at your growlist.
when you say
200+ seed grown seedlings from about 50 different cultivars, everything from Angel Wings to Yellow Orange.
What is the mature result of those seedlings? Would those plants simply look like the cultivar but be labeled as typical?

Forgive my own stupidity, but I am still a neophyte with many aspects of CP cultivation. Plus, I'm Polish.
By Smooter80
Posts:  1038
Joined:  Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:33 pm
#276773
Tissue culture is usually used to quickly make genetic copies of a plant using live plant tissue.

Seeds can be used in TC for more rapid growth with hormones. Those will not be genetically the same. Using "from term tissue" and passing them off as cultivars in the case of seed grow would be dishonest and not accurate.
By Smooter80
Posts:  1038
Joined:  Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:33 pm
#276774
Tubmonkey1 wrote:
Smooter80 wrote:Maybe you don't understand what a cultivar is. It's an exact genetic copy, a clone. "Looks like" is not good enough. Any time there is any doubt, it's a typical. I would say anything sold by him is in doubt. The seller in question has been using these dishonest tactics for years.

I was just looking at your growlist.
when you say
200+ seed grown seedlings from about 50 different cultivars, everything from Angel Wings to Yellow Orange.
What is the mature result of those seedlings? Would those plants simply look like the cultivar but be labeled as typical?

Forgive my own stupidity, but I am still a neophyte with many aspects of CP cultivation. Plus, I'm Polish.
It's not stupid, it's how you learn new things.

It means my seedling have interesting genetics and are more likely to produce something behind a mostly green plant with normal teeth. Many look "normal". Some seedlings from Fondue and Werewolf have deformed traps like the mother plant. They are still typicals. Maybe someday after the seedling mature and start producing divisions, I'll be lucky enough to have a plant or two worthy of becoming a cultivar. I have one very special seedling in mind now. :)
By Tubmonkey1
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Joined:  Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:32 pm
#276775
Ok....so the suggestion here is that he gathering seeds from registered cultivars and even his own seed grown that have matured, and passing them off as genuine. If you are going through the trouble of TC why would you not do it right and only use leafs, for the purposes of quantity?
Give me a few minutes and I will quickly dismantle one of his pots and snap some pictures of how the seedlings are growing right now. Maybe it will give more insight into his plants and methods.
By Smooter80
Posts:  1038
Joined:  Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:33 pm
#276777
Just to be fair, I do think he does sell some real VFT cultivars. I know for a fact that he has sold seed grown plants as cultivars. I wouldn't think any less of your plants either way. If you like them, that's all that matters. If you ever sell them, I would let the buyer know where they came from and that they have a questionable history.
By Tubmonkey1
Posts:  22
Joined:  Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:32 pm
#276781
The first three are ones I don't want to take apart just yet. They are labeled from Fingers001 as follows;
Garnet
Garnet
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Buzzsaw
Buzzsaw
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Buzzsaw
Buzzsaw
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SCHUPPENSTIEL
SCHUPPENSTIEL
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SCHUPPENSTIEL Seedlings in same pot.
SCHUPPENSTIEL Seedlings in same pot.
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Now for the Blood Red which I took apart to an extent;
Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Blood Red
Blood Red
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Does this give you any evidence of his growing methods?
By Smooter80
Posts:  1038
Joined:  Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:33 pm
#276783
They look like healthy plants.

I'm fairly sure Garnet and Buzzsaw are his own creations and names. There is already a Blood Red but I would guess that's his own too.

Schuppenstiel I is registered cultivar. There is a II and III but very uncommon in the US. Yours has leaf scaling but I couldn't say one way or the other if it's the true cultivar.
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