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By elaineo
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Different types of moss, grown for 3 weeks under 24-hour full spectrum light at about 50 PPFD. Wanted to see if I could make them all turn red.

Types of moss tested:
  • @optique sphag (top right)
    Michigan ebay sphag (bottom right)
    California ebay sphag (center)
    @Mikeb moss (top left)
    Meadowview red sphag from Mikeb (bottom left)
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By elaineo
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Since each piece of sphag is an individual plant, I wonder if there's some natural selection process that goes on over time. The cup in the middle showed the most growth, but I've had that sphag for several years so it's had time to adapt to local growing conditions. A lot of the red sphag (bottom right) died and rotted when I first started growing it in a tray, but the remaining sphag seems to be doing well.
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By Panman
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The 'red' sphag I got off of ebay, the same as y'all, didn't have any red when I got it and still doesn't in full sun.
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By Rammplins
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OOooo, I like that red sphag from Mikeb. What a beautifully deep color, I know what I will be topdressing my red neps in the future with! The middle one has a decent amount of growth on it as well for only 3 weeks, but makes sense if its been in your care the longest.

I dont know, I have found if you start with just the head and line them up together in tight rows all the heads seem to grow at basically the same speed. But that could possibly be because they are locking together to form a mat, restricting the growth of any super fast ones. Thats just a guess though
By Z_Y
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I too have been trying to propagate some of my colored moss. I found two stable colors, one very red and one orange. I actually really like the orange one, but it grows so slowly:
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Here's how the red/orange one looks like in a pot:
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Some more red type:
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There's red type in this pot, but the greenish-red above it might be a different species too.
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I also purchased some red ones off ebay and they didn't look that red. They also came with a lot of twigs and ants like it was picked off the forest floor, it took me a while to pick out all the sphagnum heads and toss out all the rest. I still haven't used it in any of my pots yet since I'm afraid of introducing some pest:
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By Panman
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That looks exactly like the one I got from ebay, including the twigs, leaves, roots and ants. I submerged it under water for two or three days and then picked through it. One bonus that came with it was about 8 drosera rotundafolia seedlings that sprouted up.
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By Rammplins
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Every time I buy any live moss from Ebay I always clean up the inevitable sticks and stems, then I keep it in quarantine for 4 weeks. The first week I keep it completely submerged it water to drown out any bugs that may be living in there. Then I drain it, keep it in 100% humidity and neem mist it once a week until it comes out of quarantine. After its out of quarantine I give it a final wash and its good to go, ive never had any problem with pests other than spider mites, Im fairly sure they didn't come from the sphagnum though as they showed up quite a bit later.

Should I order from Meadowview though I will definitely look for some Sarr seedling first though!
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By elaineo
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Panman wrote:The 'red' sphag I got off of ebay, the same as y'all, didn't have any red when I got it and still doesn't in full sun.
I messaged the seller, as the moss was all green/brown when I received it. She said that too much water makes it turn green. It didn't make that much sense to me, but I have observed it to be true.
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By Apollyon
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I'd love to zero in on how the colors change and the variables. I got a large clump off average moss that was growing in red heads in my 1020 prop tray. I separated all of the he4ads and grew them isolated and the new stuff grew green. Outside of breaking them off, everything else was identical. That's some awesome red moss you have. I'm definitely jealous
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By elaineo
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Apollyon wrote:I'd love to zero in on how the colors change and the variables. I got a large clump off average moss that was growing in red heads in my 1020 prop tray. I separated all of the he4ads and grew them isolated and the new stuff grew green. Outside of breaking them off, everything else was identical. That's some awesome red moss you have. I'm definitely jealous
The "red" moss (bottom right in the photo) does have some green growth. Here is a photo of the same moss after I dumped it out of the cup:
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From what I can tell, red is a sign of stress (too much light + not enough water). Plants produce anthocyanin to protect from oxidation.

Four of the mosses were able to turn red. Here is a photo of the MikeB moss (top left in the photo) after dumping it out. It started out the greenest, but even this one got some red:
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The only moss that didn't show any red was the optique moss, which turned yellow/clear. But, it grew almost as much as the center cup, so it probably has some natural resistance to stress. It is a coarse species, which grows longer and looser.
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By Panman
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I just got my Meadowview red/purple moss in today. I gave it a quick going over and have it submerged in water. I'll soak it like that for a couple of days and them pick out the weeds and twigs. In the process I found about a half dozen sarracenia seedlings and one flytrap that may be a year old. I feel like I found the prize in a box of Cracker Jack's.
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By Nepenthes0260
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Z_Y wrote:I too have been trying to propagate some of my colored moss. I found two stable colors, one very red and one orange. I actually really like the orange one, but it grows so slowly:
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Here's how the red/orange one looks like in a pot:
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Some more red type:
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There's red type in this pot, but the greenish-red above it might be a different species too.
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I also purchased some red ones off ebay and they didn't look that red. They also came with a lot of twigs and ants like it was picked off the forest floor, it took me a while to pick out all the sphagnum heads and toss out all the rest. I still haven't used it in any of my pots yet since I'm afraid of introducing some pest:
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That sphagnum and Heliamphora look fantastic, what temps are you keeping them in? Would like to grow some more sphag eventually, but it's never very vigorous in my HL room.
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By Panman
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I'm too excited not to share. I combed through the moss one more time and came up with a few more pitcher plants, another flytrap, and what I believe is a filiformis hibernicula. Now they are potted and in humidity domes. I will be interested to see what actually survives.
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