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By Supercazzola
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:?: Ok so I bought the 3 pack, and Matt and Leah were so kind to send 4. I know it’s early but if these photos help, I’d love to know what they might be. Two look similar.

I labeled them this way only for ID.

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To me, One and Three look the same. Are they Leucos, Matt?
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It's a little too early for me to say for sure, but I think #1 and #3 are the S. (leucophylla x oreophila) that I've grown since 2007. #2 might be a pure S. leucophylla that I started from seed but I'll need a bit more time to say for sure. #4 looks like the S. flava var. rubricorpora x S. flava var. ornata that I have about 20-25 individuals of from a batch of seeds John Brittnacher gave me in 2009.

Post back after all the pitchers are open and I'll be able to give a more definitive answer. Also, if you can take a shot of the rhizome where the pitchers are emerging, that will help too. The rhizome shape and color are fairly unique for each of them and seeing those plant parts makes it easier for me to identify them.
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Thanks Matt. As you asked for, photos of the rhizomes. The one missing the number on the white label is four.
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@Supercazzola, thanks for those. I'm gonna have to wait until the pitchers fully mature and color up a bit to say with 100% certainty, but now I'm thinking #1 and #3 is an S. moorei by the name 'Daniel Rudd' I acquired many years ago. I'll stick with the other two previous guesses for #2 and #4.
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Some closer shots of one and three
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Thanks Matt, I’ll take some more photos as it gets more mature. Before I make new labels, I want to be sure... well as sure as I can be, since you know what you have there, and what you would have divided. Appreciate the insight
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Matt, number two produced super thin walled pitchers, which shot up very quickly. They flopped over under their own weight so I am supporting them. Not sure if that helps but here are photos from today
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#2 still looks like a S. leucophylla. I had two or three varieties I grew for many years and that divided multiple times. Two of them should just be labeled S. leucophylla. I grew one from seed and the other I purchased in 2008 labeled as nothing other than S. leucophylla. I also grew S. leucophylla 'Tarnok' but you'd have to let it flower to know for sure if it is 'Tarnok'.
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Matt, latest photos:



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#1 and #3 are definitely S. x 'Daniel Rudd' (a very vigorous moorei). #2 is a S. leucophylla. It is either one I grew from seed or 'Tarnok' -- you'll have to wait for a flower to be able to tell. #4 is one of the S. flava (v. rubricorpora x v. ornata) seedlings I got from John Brittnacher back in 2009. The cross was made by Ron Lane.
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Now I can't wait for my pitchers to open and get id'd.
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