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By Berrybob
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I looked at my pots with fts vft seeds in them and I noticed lots of germination. How is everyone else doing with them?
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By Panman
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I've only gotten about a 20% germination rate.
EDIT: these are seed bank seeds which were know to have a germination issue. The seed from the Flytrap Store are much better.
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By Apollyon
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I'd wager something like 40-50% as they originally claimed. I'll say that LFS seemed to do better with germination though, maybe it's a moisture or contact thing. I tried both, LFS germination was up by at least 50% compared to the other pots.
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By elaineo
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I have about 15 sprouts out of 50(?) seeds. They popped up quick after I turned the heat mat up to 85 degrees.

(edit: these are seed bank seeds)
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By hungry carnivores
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I have gotten ~100 percent, although it was a bit of an experiment:

30 typical seeds, three pots:

1. Ga3 0.001M solution soak 1H. Next, sow on chopped sphagnum, temps at 78 *F (petiolaris tank). Germ rate: 70% (7/10)
2. Scarification with sand paper, 120*F water soak 10 mins, temps at 70 (Room temp). Germ rate: 100% (10/10)
3. Maxsea rinse, sowed on peat/perlite, temps 85*F, (LL minitank). Germ rate: 40% (4/10)

You make your own conclusion
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By Berrybob
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elaineo wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:43 pm I have about 15 sprouts out of 50(?) seeds. They popped up quick after I turned the heat mat up to 85 degrees.
I have around 15 too. Maybe I should try using my heating mat.
By Apollyon
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hungry carnivores wrote:I have gotten ~100 percent, although it was a bit of an experiment:

30 typical seeds, three pots:

1. Ga3 0.001M solution soak 1H. Next, sow on chopped sphagnum, temps at 78 *F (petiolaris tank). Germ rate: 70% (7/10)
2. Scarification with sand paper, 120*F water soak 10 mins, temps at 70 (Room temp). Germ rate: 100% (10/10)
3. Maxsea rinse, sowed on peat/perlite, temps 85*F, (LL minitank). Germ rate: 40% (4/10)

You make your own conclusion
I can see how scarification would be effective. Hard shell coated seeds always do better with that method. Sometimes we convince ourselves that CPs are its own entity. What I wonder is how you went about actually doing it. Those seeds are so small lol. Did you use forceps or something?
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Apollyon wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:01 pmI can see how scarification would be effective. Hard shell coated seeds always do better with that method. Sometimes we convince ourselves that CPs are its own entity. What I wonder is how you went about actually doing it. Those seeds are so small lol. Did you use forceps or something?
I'm a little curious myself. I've tried to get good contact between seeds and moss (both peat and chopped lfsm), but have never had greater than about a 30% germination rate.
Time for this old dog to perhaps learn a new trick.
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By oval
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Apollyon wrote:What I wonder is how you went about actually doing it. Those seeds are so small lol. Did you use forceps or something?
That's what I was wondering too. I was thinking maybe forceps or tweezers, and fine-grained sandpaper?
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By Matt
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hungry carnivores wrote:I have gotten ~100 percent, although it was a bit of an experiment:

1. Ga3 0.001M solution soak 1H.
I would think that a GA3 soak would dramatically increase the germination rate for those older seeds. Glad to hear people are getting some germination with them though!
By hungry carnivores
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oval wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:49 pm
Apollyon wrote:What I wonder is how you went about actually doing it. Those seeds are so small lol. Did you use forceps or something?
That's what I was wondering too. I was thinking maybe forceps or tweezers, and fine-grained sandpaper?
Forceps, a loupe (for soldering tiny things), and a razor blade. you use it to gently peel off a little seed coat.
By ChefDean
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hungry carnivores wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:47 am Forceps, a loupe (for soldering tiny things), and a razor blade. you use it to gently peel off a little seed coat.
You said sandpaper in your original comment, not a razor blade.
hungry carnivores wrote:2. Scarification with sand paper, 120*F water soak 10 mins, temps at 70 (Room temp). Germ rate: 100% (10/10)
Pretty different methods. People looking for help might get confused by the changing story. Which is correct?
By hungry carnivores
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ChefDean wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:23 am
hungry carnivores wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:47 am Forceps, a loupe (for soldering tiny things), and a razor blade. you use it to gently peel off a little seed coat.
You said sandpaper in your original comment, not a razor blade.
hungry carnivores wrote:2. Scarification with sand paper, 120*F water soak 10 mins, temps at 70 (Room temp). Germ rate: 100% (10/10)
Pretty different methods. People looking for help might get confused by the changing story. Which is correct?
Oops. Razor blade was correct. A little absentminded during writing. Sorry, will edit.
By hungry carnivores
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hungry carnivores wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:53 pm I have gotten ~100 percent, although it was a bit of an experiment:

30 typical seeds, three pots:

1. Ga3 0.001M solution soak 1H. Next, sow on chopped sphagnum, temps at 78 *F (petiolaris tank). Germ rate: 70% (7/10)
2. Scarification with Razor blade/Lame, 120*F water soak 10 mins, temps at 70 (Room temp). Germ rate: 100% (10/10)
3. Maxsea rinse, sowed on peat/perlite, temps 85*F, (LL minitank). Germ rate: 40% (4/10)

You make your own conclusion
Updated to reflect correct methods.
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