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By ChefDean
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The post office is doing something hinky, but there's a way to counter it.
I've recently received envelopes back that I sent a month ago, with the USPS stamps and stickers stating "no such number", " illegible", "unable to forward", "return to sender", and "postage due $3.65". And that was just one envelope. Bullspit!
From now on, on your request envelope that you send to me, put my address as the mailing address AND the return address.
On the SASE, put your address as the mailing address AND the return address. This way, if they try this crap some more, when they return it to the sender, it should still come back to you.
I've messaged the members whose envelopes came back to confirm addresses, then I will re-send the seeds.
Bless their little, letter carrying hearts.

Edit: I read through responses to this and I realized that it sounds like I'm suggesting something hinky myself. Let me be clear that you still need to put the proper postage on each envelope. Still do the return address trick thingy, but affix the stamps.
Sorry for any confusion.
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By Cross
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ChefDean wrote:The post office is doing something hinky, but there's a way to counter it.
I've recently received envelopes back that I sent a month ago, with the USPS stamps and stickers stating "no such number", " illegible", "unable to forward", "return to sender", and "postage due $3.65". And that was just one envelope. Bullspit!
From now on, on your SASE, put your address as the send to address AND the return address. This way, if they try this crap some more, when they return it to the sender, it should still come back to you.
I've messaged the members whose envelopes came back to confirm addresses, then I will re-send the seeds.
Bless their little, letter carrying hearts.
I see why they're constantly in a fiscal deficit lol. I really just need to purchase a rubber ink stamp. I don't know how much they cost, but it seems like a great investment lol.

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By BullwinkleII
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@ChefDean That's really clever. The dead letter department is very good at tracking people down.
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By Panman
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It isn't mildly illegal. It is straight up theft of services.
By hungry carnivores
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Panman wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:19 pm It isn't mildly illegal. It is straight up theft of services.
Also, if people don't know about nonmachinable stamps, you can even ship envelopes 1/4 inch thick with ''nonmachinable'' postage, add 1.00 postage, and the gemmae can ship in envelopes.
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By Panman
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You have to watch the 1/4 inch thickness carefully. If you go over it (or if there is someone in the post office who thinks you have) it ships as a parcel and not a letter. That postage starts at around $4.
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By Cross
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hungry carnivores wrote:
Panman wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:19 pm It isn't mildly illegal. It is straight up theft of services.
Oops! Once and never again. Hell, I always over-post my envelopes since the nonmachinable fee is 14 cents, but I have only 51 cent stamps. So I think that'll make up for one little experiment.

Also, if people don't know about nonmachinable stamps, you can even ship envelopes 1/4 inch thick with ''nonmachinable'' postage, add 1.00 postage, and the gemmae can ship in envelopes.
So you mean just add extra stamps? How many forever stamps?

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By Panman
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Your best bet is to take it to the post office and have them meter it for you. That way your not guessing about it and have less of a chance of getting it returned. Especially with gemmae. Most seeds you can risk it because there isn't much of a freshness issue.
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By Panman
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The return address trick? Yes.
By ChefDean
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Carnies wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:44 pm Should I still be doing this?
Putting my address as the mailing address AND return address on the outer envelope? And your address as the mailing address AND return address on your SASE?
Yes.
I just had a SASE returned to me after I sent it out December 8th. The post office cited insufficient information despite the address being clearly written. My address was the return, written very small, but it made it back to me after a month and six days.
Had the member put their address as the return, it would have made it to them without a problem.
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By Panman
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Don't get Dean started any the post office! :lol:
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By sundewd
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I'm going to echo what has been said about Non-machinable stamps. 2 oz stamps also work. Or just put 2 regular stamps. Trying to use the return address to get it delivered is technically fraud. When you're off by a bit it usually is allowed to go through but not always, which I think is why a lot of long time seed sellers don't know about it. Non-machinable stamps only cost 15 cents more than a regular one. If you truly want it to not be machined it must also be handed over the counter or to a postal worker. But it will prevent it from being sent back if it is dropped in the box as well. The other reason for non-machinable postage is that sometimes the sorting machines will destroy seeds. I received some sarracenia seeds and about 1/3 of them were crushed. They were sold to me by someone who has been selling seeds for years. If you regularly ship seeds I highly recommend getting the right kind of stamps to help ensure their safe delivery.
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By Panman
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Unfortunately, we have found that the nonmachinable stamp does not prevent it from going through the machine. I am using the correct stamp and when I get it from Dean, it is coming back with the machine cancellation over the stamp and the sorting information machined across the bottom. The only way I have found to consistently get it to not machine is to send something that would actually jam up the machine. Otherwise, it seems like everything gets machined. Handing it over to a postal worker does bypass the machining process in the local post office but I am seeing it being machined at the regional level.

The deal with the return address is that recently we have seen a lot of envelopes returned for "Bad addresses" even though the address is clear and correct. Changing the return address is to get it to go when there are address problems. It is not to get around using the correct postage.
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