killerplants4realz wrote: Everyone Ignore rayneger. Poaching is wrong no matter plant or animal. I also do not like trolls all creepy and living under bridges and evadently we have a troll named rayneger that has no life.Stop acting like a child, that is the exact opposite of what we should be doing and so far I haven't read anything from rayneger that shows that they are a troll at all, having a different point of view does not count as being a troll and your comment was nothing but petty and in all honesty, embarrassing. If you wish to change someone's views, instead of attacking them, talk to them, understand their point of view and reason with them, you may have to come to terms that you could be wrong. Once someone gets into a defensive stance you will not change their minds and that's that.
That being said, I still believe that taking a whole plant out of nature is wrong, and nothing but detrimental to the population, unfortunately the majority of people who go and take a plant won't bring back seeds of said plant later on, plus, if those seeds are crossed with another plant of the same species but of a different location (say a Carolina flava and a Florida flava), then you've just corrupted the gene pool of the whole population. There are already noticeable differences in populations of flava and meshing them together will be harmful to the general ecology
rayneger wrote: I didn't use flavas to cover up. The only thing i said about vfts taken from the wild was that i don't mind if they're taken by non experienced growers that don't have a liscense. I believe that people can do good things and help rebuild the community by taking a few from the wild, propogating more, and getting seeds. After that they should bring them back. You don't have to be a botanist to help the community. I think that is what your trying to get. As well you are trying to egg people on. Not only that you are now being a little rude in what your saying. Keep it calm if we continue this topic.<br/>Now I have to call you out on this because you just posted that you don't agree with taking endangered plants but you just said it was okay for inexperienced growers to take a vft (which are endangered)
I'm sorry that people are attacking you in the way that they are, but you have to understand that you're posting this in a community that has great admiration for these plants and wants to conserve the species and genetic diversity of these species so saying that taking even a small amount is okay is not going to resonate well with the majority of the community
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