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Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 6:47 pm
by TrapsAndDews
Does Drosera filiformis 'Dreamsicle' propogate true from seeds? I read this, and it sounds like these plants need to be cloned. Will seeds produce selfs instead of true plants?

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:05 pm
by thepitchergrower
The seeds will produce an f2 hybrid of the actual dreamsicle (which would be considered x californica, assuming the plant was selfed (self pollinated)). If open pollinated, you might get other stuff in the mix. Since you are growing indoors, I doubt you will have problems with pollen contamination/other stuff getting in the mix. Essentially, it does not propagate true. If selfed, call offsprings x californica, if open pollinated, call offsprings Dreamsicle OP

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:41 pm
by TrapsAndDews
Ok, thanks. I was just making sure.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:06 pm
by Shadowtski
A quick thought, some 'Dreamsicle' x self seed-produced plants could look enough like the original 'Dreamsicle' that people would start calling the seed-grown offspring 'Dreamsicle', leading to confusion and misidentification in many collections.
California Carnivores suggests cutting off the flower scapes so the true clones can't produce seed.
Me, I cut off the flower scapes but clone a new plant from the cutting.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:08 pm
by thepitchergrower
In savage garden page for D x California sunset, and on the calcarn page for dreamsicle, it always says "and seeds should be destroyed". Honestly, I think destroying the seed would be counterproductive.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 12:10 am
by Carnies
Yea, but you don't want to get the seedlings and then think that they were actually 'Dreamsicle' or a cultivar. It is counterproductive but you need to keep the same clones.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 am
by MikeB
Dreamsicle is a hybrid of Drosera tracyi anthocyanin-free x Drosera filiformis "Florida Red". I let mine set seed one year, and the offspring were a mix of the three: some looked like Dreamsicle, some looked like pale tracyi with white flowers, and some looked like filiformis.

If you want to propagate Dreamsicle and have it remain true-to-type, do leaf cuttings like this. Mine are 5 weeks old now, and some of them are hitting 1.5 inches / 38mm tall.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:59 am
by Nepenthes0260
Despite possible morphological similarity, plants resulting from self-pollininated 'Dreamsicle' seed will not grow out to be the true cultivar. Cultivars should be reproduced purely through vegetative propagation (cloning) to preserve the original genetics, and any selfed plants should be accurately labeled as such (e.g. 'Dreamsicle' x self, xcalifornica, etc.).

https://legacy.carnivorousplants.org/cp ... 24_27.html

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 5:01 am
by TrapsAndDews
MikeB wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 am If you want to propagate Dreamsicle and have it remain true-to-type, do leaf cuttings like this. Mine are 5 weeks old now, and some of them are hitting 1.5 inches / 38mm tall.
Thanks, but I was thinking of trying a different method. (I could try both.) I want to go more for size rather than numbers. I think someone here cut 2 inch leaves and stuck them into the soil upright.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:26 pm
by thepitchergrower
TrapsAndDews wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 5:01 am
MikeB wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 am If you want to propagate Dreamsicle and have it remain true-to-type, do leaf cuttings like this. Mine are 5 weeks old now, and some of them are hitting 1.5 inches / 38mm tall.
Thanks, but I was thinking of trying a different method. (I could try both.) I want to go more for size rather than numbers. I think someone here cut 2 inch leaves and stuck them into the soil upright.
Everytime my dreamsicle decides to push out a flowerstalk, the growth point splits in 2 (divides). Not sure if it only happens under my conditions. Which means not only do I have a flowerstalk to make cuttings, but I also have 2 decent sized growthpoints. And leaf cuttings if I want to take them.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:47 pm
by TrapsAndDews
That's nice to know. I thought that droseras didn't divide.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 3:15 am
by MikeB
TrapsAndDews wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 3:47 pm That's nice to know. I thought that droseras didn't divide.
filiformis, tracyi, and their hybrids like to sprout offshoots; spatulata and tokaiensis really like to sprout offshoots.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 3:41 am
by thepitchergrower
Old spatulata and tokaiensis leaves touching the soil tend to sprout plantlets. And the plants themselves shoot out new sprouts near the base.

Re: Does D. 'Dreamsicle' Propagate True From Seeds?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 4:09 am
by TrapsAndDews
thepitchergrower wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 3:41 am Old spatulata and tokaiensis leaves touching the soil tend to sprout plantlets.
I've only had that happen with my utricularia so far. I did notice that my tracyi has two growth points.