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D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:45 pm
by Jonathan_
Hi everyone,
This variety doesn't seem to have the slim arms of a typical D.capillaris and a friend of mine took a look at the seeds of this plant under a microscope and said the seeds were too long to be a form of D.capillaris?

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:58 pm
by ChefDean
Look online at pics of the various capillaris varieties out there. Some look almost like burmannii in how compact they are, others look like they could be a variety of capensis with shorter paddles.
Environmental influences over millions of years will cause changes. Since NC is different than Florida or Brazil, practically everything about the plant has a chance to be different, even the seeds.
That's not to say that what you have is definitively from boiling Springs, NC, but maybe it's like comparing blood oranges to mandarins. They're both oranges, but the big ones with a red to purple pulp looks quite different from a small one with the classic orange pulp.
Sometimes mistakes are made, but you likely have capillaris that evolved differently than others.

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:37 pm
by Panman
A picture would help.

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:47 pm
by hungrycarnivores
ChefDean wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:58 pm Look online at pics of the various capillaris varieties out there. Some look almost like burmannii in how compact they are, others look like they could be a variety of capensis with shorter paddles.
Environmental influences over millions of years will cause changes. Since NC is different than Florida or Brazil, practically everything about the plant has a chance to be different, even the seeds.
That's not to say that what you have is definitively from boiling Springs, NC, but maybe it's like comparing blood oranges to mandarins. They're both oranges, but the big ones with a red to purple pulp looks quite different from a small one with the classic orange pulp.
Sometimes mistakes are made, but you likely have capillaris that evolved differently than others.
Especially CP, with very restrictive taxa and few species. There are very big problems in the Pygmy Sundew clade with species that look very distinctive across species, and some look very similar and are thought to be monoclonal in origin. From what research I have done, CP are very opportunistic plants, and react very quickly to their environment to colonize areas with few plants. Thus, they evolve quickly and you see all of these forms and species.

Edited to say, you could email Bob Ziemer at ICPS to see if it is worthy of a cultivar and describe it. That's always an option.

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:49 pm
by Jonathan_
Panman wrote:A picture would help.
https://ibb.co/F0sRRyn

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:09 pm
by ChefDean
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This is a thread from a few years back. It has pics of D. capillaris "Boiling Springs Lake, NC" that look similar to yours, but more red and not quite as compact. Yours kinda look more like "Emeralds Envy" to me.
However, there are many capillaris varieties, some have long arms, some have very short arms. Yours could very well be legit, just from a specific location around Boiling Springs that has a very specific biome.
Either way, very beautiful plant.

Re: D.capillaris Boiling Springs NC question.

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:48 pm
by MikeB
Drosera capillaris shows a lot of variation across its range, from southeastern Virginia down the east coast, over most of Florida, and across the Gulf coast into eastern Texas. The long-arm varieties seem to be more of a Florida thing. The plants that I see in North Carolina look like this, similar to yours but more red.