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you must have alot of sources of proof not just one very trustable person. :/

name all the """""*vft experts*"""""""

its not confusing, if the name is any way different then it should be a different plant. john and james are different people. you can tell the difference between them.

marianne wrote:don't you think that people should be happy to have ANY venus flytrap.

That's a good point. What I suppose I was trying to say was not to be fooled by the name. "Big Jaws" is not a better plant than "Jaws," and certainly is not the same plant. There are many named clones that seem to me to not be even as good as an outstanding unnamed "typical" Venus Flytrap.

At any rate, I certainly wasn't trying to be rude, although I am annoyed that Agristarts would place such an exaggerated name on an apparently fairly ordinary plant, and then confuse the issue further by distributing several (at least two) different-looking plants under the same name. To make matters worse, some people apparently now think that Jaws and "Big Jaws" are the same plant.

Matt and I bought some of the Agristarts "Big Jaws," and soon realized that they were not all identical plants. The ones we sell in the store are only the ones that grow true to the description, with short, dentate-like spines. As soon as all of them are sold (we don't have many), we plan to discontinue Big Jaws.

carnivorous wrote:So Matt and Steve are giving excellent, helpful advice
and in no way being rude.

Thanks. My annoyance about Agristarts and its "Big Jaws" Venus Flytrap, which may have been evident in what I wrote, is for the reasons you stated.

marianne wrote:ok, thanks for the input! do you have living proof it is no way bigger than a jaws, or are you just taking other peoples words.

marianne wrote: you must have alot of sources of proof not just one very trustable person. :/

name all the """""*vft experts*"""""""

its not confusing, if the name is any way different then it should be a different plant. john and james are different people. you can tell the difference between them.

First you say it is confusing, then you say it isn't confusing. Which is it?

Sigh.....are you implying, that Matt and Steve are incorrect in their
analysis of "Big Jaws"?

Why should I involve other people's names in this
discussion? Matt & Steve's years of knowledge and experience with VFTs isn't
enough for you? Their personal experience with "Big Jaws" is insufficient?

Fine then, go ahead, buy the 2 kinds of "Big Jaws" somewhere, one with long cilia and the other with the Dentate
characteristics, since Matt and Steve's analysis isn't enough,
and since the plant has "Big" in its name.

All Matt and Steve are doing is
providing advice to people before making a purchase.

Many VFTs (Typicals/seed grown) will develop and look strikingly similar
to a named clone/cultivar. Anybody can put a name on a VFT and distribute/sell it.

So for you, it's not confusing if a person that has a very Large Typical VFT
and names it a "South West Giant XL" or "Big B52".
It's fine to you that they'll sell that plant with that name?

You said, "if the name is any way different, then
it's a different plant". That's fairly obvious.

But using a registered cultivar name, and then adding just a word
to it, is causing confusion.

The problem is that 'Jaws' is a registered cultivar name.
I'm sure Agristarts knows that and decided to capitalize on that name
and added the word "Big".

As Steve said about that plant, "many people must believe
is superior to Jaws because of the word "big"".

What other motive did Agristarts have? Why use the name "Big Jaws"?
No one at Agristarts could've come up with a more unique name?

So it's fine with you that any VFT grower might add the word "Big", or
another adjective, to any registered cultivar name and start selling a VFT
with that name?